Listed below are several transcripts, interviews and other pieces of information that we have gathered supporting the theory that secretive government research has been conducted at the GE Peebles Test Operation.
Coast to Coast AM Transcript
During this nationally syndicated radio program, host Art Bell was taking calls from listeners who claim to have been employed at the secret Area 51 facility in Nevada. An anonymous caller to the radio program, dated Friday night into Saturday morning of August 7, 1998, spoke about a “secret facility” in southern Ohio that was not directly a government facility, but “under contract” for the government. Below is the transcript from that discussion, which took place one hour and forty minutes into the radio show.
Art: East of the Rockies, you’re on the air. Good morning.
Caller: Good morning.
Art: How are you?
Caller: Very good, thanks, how are you?
Caller: Well, I don’t directly work for the government agency, but over the past 25 years I have worked for companies that are under contract to the government, during the Star Wars era. And that I was thinking two things in particular that are kind of interesting because they lead to things that are showing up now in the sky. One of them is in the 70s, there was a relationship between the company I work for and the government working on ion propulsion, and in southern Ohio, they had a large proving ground that was set up. They would but an entire mountain and run power to the site. And for…I guess it was almost 7 years, it was a combination military and private installation and that about every ten or fifteen days, as soon as they could get it working, they would fire up the engines and see what they could get out of it and try to figure out how they worked.
Art: In other words, back-engineer it?
Caller: Yes, because essentially they didn’t have any model to work from. Anyone who worked on the project was basically brought in to say, “Well, try to improve upon it and try to see if you can figure out how to make it useful.” And that none of us were allowed to really work with anyone else closely, you had small little nestled groups, and you could work on your projects. But there was no real open communication, so it wasn’t apparent until after the fact, in fact, as I think about it now, it was probably rather obvious but I didn’t think about it at the time that no one knew how it worked.
Art: What did you actually see?
Caller: What I saw was essentially the frame and mountings with ion propulsion engines or motors or whatever you’d want to call…
Art: Slow up now, what mountings?
Caller: The frames and the mountings so that it could be potentially put on a device. These things aren’t terribly large and work on rather basic principle, once you figure out what it is they are trying to do. Simply put and without saying much, they take the space that is directly around the object and they make it so that it appears solid for just a very brief instance, and then it can push against in very small increments.
Art: That’s intriguing. We’re talking about a propulsion system?
Caller: Yes. And it requires a fair amount of energy to do it, but it’s not impossible by any means. In fact, over the past couple of years they’ve made real progress with batteries like hydrogen cells that are putting out a small thing, something the size of a car, could have about 15 kilowatts of electricity, which is more than enough to run an ion propulsion system. Those things would run in a very amusing sense, like flying cars and things of that nature. But it’s not subject to the usual laws of the way projectile-style things like jets work. These things could kind-of nudge themselves around in any direction, and once they are moving, particularly outside the atmosphere, once they get moving, they’re just kind of “on their way.”
Art: I’ve been really looking forward to flying cars.
Caller: I have too, I’ve always enjoyed the late 40s, early 50s view of the future because it always seemed really intriguing when I was young because I thought, “This is what the future is bound to be.” And then I find myself in the 70s working on these things thinking, “Boy I’m stupid here. I can’t catch up with what these other people designed and I don’t know how it works,” and then later on in my life I realize that no one knew how they worked. We were all pretty much going blind.
Art: I used to have a little Geo Metro, and I had a fellow up in Alaska who promised to send me a unit that would propel my Geo Metro into the air. I’ve been looking forward to that, it still hasn’t shown up.
Caller: I think a really large slingshot actually could do that.
Art: Laughs. Maybe a catapult.
Caller: Now the other company I worked for, which was actually about two years into the Reagan administration with the Star Wars program…
Caller: The way it worked when you actually join the company was that to prove that you could work in their environment, they would bring you into a room that had a whole bunch of stuff. They would say, “Choose something here, define what it is, explain how you think it works and see if you can do something with it.” And they would give you about two weeks and “specked” you out and thought that you were actually capable of doing work for them, they would put a fair amount of time into testing you.
Art: And what did they put you with?
Art: And what did they put you with?
Caller: Well, basically a lot of things I couldn’t identify, but one thing I was able to make use of, I didn’t know what it was at the time, but what they ended up incorporating into the Star Wars project was travelling wave tubes.
Art: Oh yes…
Caller: And, essentially, they really didn’t have a good handle on them. They could manufacture them based on the templates. They didn’t have a handle on them, but you could have as many of them as you wanted, if you wanted to work on it, and they were coming out of the factory at about $80,000 a piece.
Art: Yeah, travelling wave tubes are used in modern telecommunications satellite technology.
Caller: Exactly, and they have a lot of different purposes, for instance, they can be used in navigation at extremely high speeds. The funny thing about traveling wave tubes also is that it is the technology that also goes into pulsed beam weapons that you see in military/private installations. That is a really sophisticated way of modulating a pulsed-beam that is pretty much just outside the X-Ray band.
Art: Have you seen the STS-50 video?
Caller: Yes I have.
Art: What in God’s name did we see emanate from the ground, toward space, in that video? That was legitimate STS video. The camera on the outside of the shuttle zoomed in to a city, it was obviously intentional, that whoever was operating the camera specifically wanted to see something from that city, and there was this incredible flash that moved at the speed of light into space. They got that, it took it, I’ve seen the video…then they panned back again. They were observing some kind of experiment on the ground.
Caller: Well essentially what they saw was a craft, and any craft that uses ion propulsion that is in a mode where it’s actually preparing to leave the atmosphere, when it leaves from wherever it had been parked. If they intend to leave the atmosphere, it leaves rather abruptly. It disrupts all of the area around it, as far as the way it looks optically.
Art: I’m sure it does.
Caller: And that it actually…for a lack of better term, it “smears” the space around it, so that it makes it very hard to define what it would be. It moves at between 22 and 25 thousand miles per hour when it is in that mode.
Art: That would be…I’m trying to recall what escape velocity is, but it would be that or a little bit lower.
Caller: Right, but in the case of that video, that was just a fluke. I don’t think they never intended ever to have that photograph.
Art: You would never know it from looking at that video. They had a pan of the great part of the globe. You could see them zoom in on a specific city, and they sat there and waited, and you saw this sudden flash go up. I have no idea what it was, but obviously they expected it to occur.
Caller: The funny thing is in all these situations, is that there have always been a steady stream of leaks come out, in one form or another. For instance, I don’t consider what I’m doing now to be divulging anything and I don’t think anyone in the different agencies could care about what I’m saying, because…
Art: Well you may find out about that later tonight.
Caller: I was going to say that you’ll come and visit me in jail, right?
Art: Laughs. I’ll bring you a cake with your file…
Caller: But I think in the case of that film, I think it’s also a good example of a leak or a good case of ineptitude people in upper administration. I’ve always been amazed at how you don’t see people just shooting at their feet and walking into doorways and things like that, because they’re pretty stupid in other strategic senses. You’ll find that in any agency where they’re supposed to be maintaining very, very strict protocol, that some people will pick up a cell phone that’s a regular good-ole cell phone and call home and say, “Honey, I’m going into that private installation,” or whatever, and I’m just appalled at times when I see that.
Art: I appreciate your telling us what you have, and I hope you remain free.
Caller: Thank you.
Art: Take care, my friend.
Caller: You too, bye.
Peebles Facility Banned on a Radio Talk-Show
Radio talk-show hosts Dale Sommers and Bill Cunningham of 700 WLW in Cincinnati spoke about the Peebles facility for several months in 1994. The hosts believed the facility was related to a “New World Order” conspiracy against America, and announced their suspicions that the facility was a makeshift “concentration camp” where black helicopters were seen landing frequently. They were eventually contacted by the White House Chief of Staff and told not to make further reference to the GE Peebles Test Operation on their program. Since that time, neither of the hosts have mentioned the Adams County facility on their programs.
UFO Sighting / Men In Black Encounter
In 1973, a resident of Peebles witnessed a large, bright white light above the treetops in the yard while at a friend’s house along Cemetery Road. It was the size of the older type of TV satellite dishes. The light hovered making no noise for about two minutes when the light suddenly shut off and was replaced by a small green light. As soon as the green light appeared, it shot off at an incredible speed heading west toward her house. Three days later, three men in black suits questioned her about the incident and explained that she had just seen a weather balloon. The resident was informed that GE had an operation about six miles from Peebles, Ohio in Adams County. Peebles is very close to where the resident lived. The resident was told by a security guard who worked there that back in the 1970s, secret military work was going on there. Everything was highly classified. The resident also said the place has a runway and tests of classified engineering was done.
In 1969, the General Electric Company selected a high-bypass engine as the test vehicle for initial application of graphite fiber composite fan blades. A two-phase design, manufacturing and development program was initiated to produce a graphite composite first stage fan rotor suitable for flight application. The first phase of this program, completed in 1970, was directed toward identifying the problems and producing graphite composite fans for engine evaluation with unshrouded titanium blades in the same rotor. This report represents a status summary of the composite fan blade design, manufacturing and development effort including the results of the crosswind engine testing of these blades at General Electric’s engine test facility at Peebles, Ohio.
GE Peebles 2007 Expansion
From a press release dated May 21, 2007: GE Aviation’s Peebles Test Operation, among the world’s most advanced jet engine test centers and nestled in the foothills of the Appalachian mountains in rural Adams County, is undergoing a $90 million facilities expansion. New jet engine assembly and testing sites at Peebles are being constructed to handle growing engine production and development activity at GE Aviation, headquartered in Cincinnati, Ohio. GE’s investment in these new sites occurs during 2006-2009. The expansion involves:
- New large-engine production building: Final engine assembly, preparation for testing, and preparation for shipment are performed here. In 2007, it will perform final assembly (front fan attached to propulsors) for about 165 GE90 engines, the world’s most powerful aircraft jet engine. Final assembly for the GEnx, a new engine under development, will be performed here as well. The facility was completed [May 2007].
- New outdoor test stand (site 7): An exotic, one-of-a-kind structure that will enable testing of the new GE/Rolls-Royce F136 engine for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program. The site will be operational [by the end of 2007].
- New indoor test facility (site 5): Construction began [in 2007] on a new enclosed test facility for the GEnx and GE90 engines. The facility will be completed early .
“GE Aviation is going great guns, with production rates for our airline jet engines growing by more than 50 percent between 2006 and 2009,” said Donnelly, president and CEO of GE Aviation. “Peebles is critical to our production strategy.”
The Peebles operation, with more than 250 employees and located on nearly 7,000 acres, is both an engine test and final assembly facility. Each year, Peebles runs final acceptance testing on about 1,250 engines manufactured by GE and its joint venture partners. From Peebles, these engines are shipped to aircraft manufacturers for installation on customer aircraft. Also in the years-long development of a new engine model, Peebles subjects the engines to conditions that exceed anything they are likely to encounter in actual service — hail and ice storms, typhoon conditions, winds at nearly 100 miles per hour, structural failure, and bird strikes — to meet the stringent demands of the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and other regulatory agencies for certification to enter commercial service.
GE purchased the Peebles property in 1954 to test rocket engines. There are currently eight test sites: two enclosed, and six open. Four are capable of testing engines that produce up to 150,000 pounds of thrust. (The thrust rating of the world’s most powerful jet engine — GE’s GE90-115B — is about 115,000 pounds.)
GE Aviation generated revenues of $15.6 billion in 2006 (including Smiths acquisition). The company has the largest and fastest-growing installed base of jet engines commercial aviation and global services network to support them. GE Aviation employs approximately 38,000 people and operates more than 80 facilities around the world. Engine assembly is performed at facilities in: Cincinnati and Peebles, Ohio; Durham, North Carolina; and Lynn Massachusetts. Engine overhaul, maintenance and on-wing support facilities are located in the U.S., Wales, Scotland, England, and Hungary. GE Aviation acquired Smiths Aerospace, a U.K.-based supplier of integrated systems for aircraft manufacturers and components for engine builders.
GE Aviation invests $1 billion annually in jet propulsion R&D programs. This long tradition of commitment to new technology has helped GE maintain its leadership position within the industry with a proud list of “firsts” in both military and commercial jet propulsion, tracing back to 1942 with America’s first jet engine.
GE Peebles on Sightings
Below is an excerpt from Twentieth Century Fox’s TV program Sightings that describes GE Peebles as Ohio’s Area 51. The segment aired in Season 5 Episode 14 on June 18, 1997.